tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637615237251760916.post8232483689440732470..comments2023-10-19T05:56:11.144-07:00Comments on Spanish Insight: Telefonica to call time on "All You Can Eat" internet accessAdvocohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14026626762223120782noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637615237251760916.post-47171327840429629982010-09-16T12:35:48.742-07:002010-09-16T12:35:48.742-07:00Thanks for taking the time to explain - best comme...Thanks for taking the time to explain - best comment the blog has ever received I thinkAdvocohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026626762223120782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637615237251760916.post-58459091168361928622010-09-16T01:57:01.905-07:002010-09-16T01:57:01.905-07:00First part of my comment, sorry it looks like it w...First part of my comment, sorry it looks like it was too long to post together:<br /><br />Hello! I enjoy your blog, but as an IT professional I really have to step up and give you some "IT Insight" to think about here - The Telefonica has hoodwinked you as to what the real issue is, and it will be to all our detriment if they get their way. Metered internet is a really bad idea, a backward step for the worst - but not for the reasons you imagine (i.e. 5% of users want their cake and eat it to). For starters your idea the kids downloading are robbing your bandwidth is a myth and a lie - every ADSL subscriber has upload/download limits for starters, but you can read more details on the deception of Telco-ISP's like Telefonica at internet users expense here (look for "ISP Over-subscription"):<br />http://thecommandline.net/2009/12/04/debunking-the-bandwidth-hog-myth/<br />See "ISP Oversubscribing, how does this affect me?" in following link:<br />http://www.ispgeeks.com/wild/modules.php?name=CapacityTest<br />Plenty more references:<br />http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=hog+bandwidth+mythKeithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637615237251760916.post-20813655700192086282010-09-16T01:52:57.404-07:002010-09-16T01:52:57.404-07:00The real elephant in the room issue here is Net Ne...The real elephant in the room issue here is Net Neutrality. To sum it up quickly: At the moment the internet is "Neutral" - it does not matter to me as a Telefonica/ISP customer if I am accessing Amazon.com or your small blog - I can access the two at the same speed (where speed is measured from my ISP to me - the final leg of the data's journey). We call this "Net Neutrality". Telefonica and many other Telco run ISP's want to destroy this neutrality. Instead they want to charge you as a customer for access to bandwidth, and they then want to turn around and charge Google, Amazon, anyone else with money for _exactly the same bandwidth_. If they do not pay, then these websites will be regulated in speed or blocked all together - OR you as a customer will have to pay a higher price for the privilege of accessing the "All internet" tier! If your little website can't pay all the big ISP's in the world a fee - tough luck your data cannot be accessed fast/cheap/easily by users from users at those ISPs - your websites data gets put on the lowest most expensive to access tier for end users - effectively cutting it off or severely reducing it's access by the masses. The internet reduced to a pay per view type subscriber model. If this comes to pass then little blogs like yours may just become a thing of the past. Note that the telcos like Telefonica are pushing hard, paying political lobbyists worldwide for this to happen - not to mention spinning the issue in the media every chance they can get towards mythical "bandwidth hogs" and other bogeymen - to get the less informed on side.<br /><br />Do you consider accessing Google being a "Bandwidth Hog"? Here is an example of this particular boogyman being trotted out to justify destroying Net Neutrality:<br />http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/07/1610222<br /><br />Further reading on the real issue, Network Neutrality:<br />Father of the WWW, Tim Berners-Lee: "Never stop fighting for net neutrality"<br />http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=458612<br />Googles take:<br />http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/search/label/Net%20Neutrality<br />Wikipedia:<br />https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Network_neutrality<br /><br />A video of Telefonicas CEO - destroying Net Neutrality is exactly Telefonicas plan:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVADWAxOZtg<br /><br />On a personal level I (and many other Informaticos) consider this issue is so important to the future of the internet, that we usually never recommend anti-internet telcos like Telefonica unless in exceptional circumstances or there is no other choice. Boycotting against their anti-internet behaviour while they are lobbying politicians to allow the destruction of Net Neutrality. I hope this email prompts you to study this important issue of further, and perhaps provider insight into the issue in a future blog article.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Keith NelsonKeithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637615237251760916.post-83930468002332175372010-09-16T01:50:57.524-07:002010-09-16T01:50:57.524-07:00Hello! I enjoy your blog, but as an IT professiona...Hello! I enjoy your blog, but as an IT professional I really have to step up and give you some "IT Insight" to think about here - The Telefonica has hoodwinked you as to what the real issue is, and it will be to all our detriment if they get their way. Metered internet is a really bad idea, a backward step for the worst - but not for the reasons you imagine (i.e. 5% of users want their cake and eat it to). For starters your idea the kids downloading are robbing your bandwidth is a myth and a lie - every ADSL subscriber has upload/download limits for starters, but you can read more details on the deception of Telco-ISP's like Telefonica at internet users expense here (look for "ISP Over-subscription"):<br />http://thecommandline.net/2009/12/04/debunking-the-bandwidth-hog-myth/<br />See "ISP Oversubscribing, how does this affect me?" in following link:<br />http://www.ispgeeks.com/wild/modules.php?name=CapacityTest<br />Plenty more references:<br />http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=hog+bandwidth+myth<br /><br />The real elephant in the room issue here is Net Neutrality. To sum it up quickly: At the moment the internet is "Neutral" - it does not matter to me as a Telefonica/ISP customer if I am accessing Amazon.com or your small blog - I can access the two at the same speed (where speed is measured from my ISP to me - the final leg of the data's journey). We call this "Net Neutrality". Telefonica and many other Telco run ISP's want to destroy this neutrality. Instead they want to charge you as a customer for access to bandwidth, and they then want to turn around and charge Google, Amazon, anyone else with money for _exactly the same bandwidth_. If they do not pay, then these websites will be regulated in speed or blocked all together - OR you as a customer will have to pay a higher price for the privilege of accessing the "All internet" tier! If your little website can't pay all the big ISP's in the world a fee - tough luck your data cannot be accessed fast/cheap/easily by users from users at those ISPs - your websites data gets put on the lowest most expensive to access tier for end users - effectively cutting it off or severely reducing it's access by the masses. The internet reduced to a pay per view type subscriber model. If this comes to pass then little blogs like yours may just become a thing of the past. Note that the telcos like Telefonica are pushing hard, paying political lobbyists worldwide for this to happen - not to mention spinning the issue in the media every chance they can get towards mythical "bandwidth hogs" and other bogeymen - to get the less informed on side.<br /><br />Do you consider accessing Google being a "Bandwidth Hog"? Here is an example of this particular boogyman being trotted out to justify destroying Net Neutrality:<br />http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/07/1610222<br /><br /><br />Further reading on the real issue, Network Neutrality:<br />Father of the WWW, Tim Berners-Lee: "Never stop fighting for net neutrality"<br />http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=458612<br />Googles take:<br />http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/search/label/Net%20Neutrality<br />Wikipedia:<br />https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Network_neutrality<br /><br />A video of Telefonicas CEO - destroying Net Neutrality is exactly Telefonicas plan:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVADWAxOZtg<br /><br />On a personal level I (and many other Informaticos) consider this issue is so important to the future of the internet, that we usually never recommend anti-internet telcos like Telefonica unless in exceptional circumstances or there is no other choice. Boycotting against their anti-internet behaviour while they are lobbying politicians to allow the destruction of Net Neutrality. I hope this email prompts you to study this important issue of further, and perhaps provider insight into the issue in a future blog article.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Keith NelsonKeithnoreply@blogger.com